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Order of decrees

In short
  • T07.1 Not addressed before 750 (a post-Reformation scholastic question) (high)
  • T07.2 Reprobation as a just passing-by for sin fits Augustine and Orange 529; predestination to evil is condemned (medium)

Two separate measures, shown side by side; neither is combined with the other (confidence-weighted, out of 4; counts show how many of this doctrine's 2 questions each rests on). This doctrine is third-order (tier weight 1). How scoring works · Scripture and tradition · Glossary · Every score with its citation

Closeness to Scripture

1 Catholic 75% 1/2 q
2 Orthodox 75% 1/2 q
3 Oriental Orthodox 75% 1/2 q
4 Lutheran 75% 1/2 q
5 Anglican 75% 1/2 q
6 Presbyterian 75% 1/2 q
7 Reformed Baptist 75% 1/2 q
8 General Baptist 75% 1/2 q
9 Anabaptist 75% 1/2 q

Closeness to the fathers

1 Catholic 75% 1/2 q
2 Anglican 75% 1/2 q
3 Presbyterian 75% 1/2 q
4 Reformed Baptist 75% 1/2 q
5 Orthodox 50% 1/2 q
6 Oriental Orthodox 50% 1/2 q
7 Lutheran 50% 1/2 q
8 General Baptist 50% 1/2 q
9 Anabaptist 50% 1/2 q
Charts: closeness to the fathers by question, and timeline
Closeness to the fathers, by question (0–4). Hatched = not assessed in the category file. Click a question for its verdict.
01234Catholic · T07.1: not assessedOrthodox · T07.1: not assessedOriental Orthodox · T07.1: not assessedLutheran · T07.1: not assessedAnglican · T07.1: not assessedPresbyterian · T07.1: not assessedReformed Baptist · T07.1: not assessedGeneral Baptist · T07.1: not assessedAnabaptist · T07.1: not assessedT07.1conf. highCatholic · T07.2: 3/4 — Reprobation after foreseen sin (scholastic) (to verify)3Orthodox · T07.2: 2/4 — Conditional on foreseen sin2Oriental Orthodox · T07.2: 2/4 — Conditional (to verify)2Lutheran · T07.2: 2/4 — FC XI: no reprobation decree (to verify)2Anglican · T07.2: 3/4 — not assessed: the doctrine page does not state this tradition's position on this question3Presbyterian · T07.2: 3/4 — WCF III.3, III.7: 'pass by ... to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin' (verified)3Reformed Baptist · T07.2: 3/4 — 1689 3.3: 'others being left to act in their sin' (verified)3General Baptist · T07.2: 2/4 — Conditional (Standard Confession) (to verify)2Anabaptist · T07.2: 2/4 — Conditional (to verify)2T07.2conf. medium
CatholicOrthodoxOriental OrthodoxLutheranAnglicanPresbyterianReformed BaptistGeneral BaptistAnabaptistnot assessed
When the cited witnesses spoke (approximate dates) and where later traditions fixed their positions. Filled dot = consensus question; hollow orange = a question on which the fathers varied. Each item links to its source note or post-750 note.
1002003004005006007001000125015001700post-750 (compressed)Augustine (c. 415) · T07.2Augustinec. 415 · T07.2Westminster Confession (1646) · CatholicWestminster Confession1646 · CatholicWestminster Confession (1646) · OrthodoxWestminster Confession1646 · OrthodoxWestminster Confession (1646) · Oriental OrthodoxWestminster Confession1646 · Oriental OrthodoxWestminster Confession (1646) · LutheranWestminster Confession1646 · LutheranWestminster Confession (1646) · AnglicanWestminster Confession1646 · AnglicanWestminster Confession (1646) · PresbyterianWestminster Confession1646 · PresbyterianWestminster Confession (1646) · Reformed BaptistWestminster Confession1646 · Reformed BaptistWestminster Confession (1646) · General BaptistWestminster Confession1646 · General BaptistWestminster Confession (1646) · AnabaptistWestminster Confession1646 · Anabaptist
  1. c. 415 Augustine T07.2
  2. 1646 Westminster Confession Catholic
  3. 1646 Westminster Confession Orthodox
  4. 1646 Westminster Confession Oriental Orthodox
  5. 1646 Westminster Confession Lutheran
  6. 1646 Westminster Confession Anglican
  7. 1646 Westminster Confession Presbyterian
  8. 1646 Westminster Confession Reformed Baptist
  9. 1646 Westminster Confession General Baptist
  10. 1646 Westminster Confession Anabaptist

T7 · Order of decrees

Supra- or infralapsarianism.

Tier: Third-order (scoring weight 1). How the tiers were set: theological triage. Method: conventions. Traditions’ sources: confessional sources.

In short

This is a technical Reformed debate from the 1500s and 1600s about the logical order of God’s decisions. Scripture does not address it, the fathers never discussed it, and none of the nine confessions settles it.

Plan

Question: T07.1: in God’s decrees, does election logically precede the decree to permit the fall (supralapsarian) or follow it (infralapsarian)? A Reformed scholastic question. Question: T07.2: Is reprobation an active decree, or a passing-by of sinners?

Questions

  • T07.1 Order of decrees
  • T07.2 Is reprobation an active decree, or a passing-by of sinners?

Verdicts and trace

Weighed under the source-proximity principle: Scripture first, then the father eras I–IV.

T07.1 · Order of decrees

QuestionVerdictConfidenceReasoningKey sourcesScripture (benchmark)
T07.1Not addressed before 750 (a post-Reformation scholastic question)HighT07.1.1 · T07.1.3 weighingnone before 750T07.1.4: not a Scripture question

T07.2 · Is reprobation an active decree, or a passing-by of sinners?

QuestionVerdictConfidenceReasoningKey sourcesScripture (benchmark)
T07.2Reprobation as a just passing-by for sin fits Augustine and Orange 529; predestination to evil is condemnedMediumT07.2.1 · T07.2.3 weighingaugustine-t07-s1T07.2.4: medium

Post-750 development

Which of this doctrine’s questions each tradition stays closest to, or departs from. Each row links to the tradition’s notes; exact scores and bases are in the reasoning.

TraditionClosest to the fathers onDeparts or sharpens on
Catholicpartly T07.2—
OrthodoxT07.2partly T07.2
Oriental OrthodoxT07.2partly T07.2
LutheranT07.2partly T07.2
Anglicanpartly T07.2—
Presbyterianpartly T07.2—
Reformed Baptistpartly T07.2—
General BaptistT07.2partly T07.2
AnabaptistT07.2partly T07.2

Overall verdict

Not a patristic or biblical question; none of the nine confessions decides it. T07.2: Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist preterition is closest to Augustine and Orange.

Verification status

None.