Order of decrees
- T07.1 Not addressed before 750 (a post-Reformation scholastic question) (high)
- T07.2 Reprobation as a just passing-by for sin fits Augustine and Orange 529; predestination to evil is condemned (medium)
Two separate measures, shown side by side; neither is combined with the other (confidence-weighted, out of 4; counts show how many of this doctrine's 2 questions each rests on). This doctrine is third-order (tier weight 1). How scoring works · Scripture and tradition · Glossary · Every score with its citation
Closeness to Scripture
Closeness to the fathers
Charts: closeness to the fathers by question, and timeline
- c. 415 Augustine T07.2
- 1646 Westminster Confession Catholic
- 1646 Westminster Confession Orthodox
- 1646 Westminster Confession Oriental Orthodox
- 1646 Westminster Confession Lutheran
- 1646 Westminster Confession Anglican
- 1646 Westminster Confession Presbyterian
- 1646 Westminster Confession Reformed Baptist
- 1646 Westminster Confession General Baptist
- 1646 Westminster Confession Anabaptist
T7 · Order of decrees
Supra- or infralapsarianism.
Tier: Third-order (scoring weight 1). How the tiers were set: theological triage. Method: conventions. Traditions’ sources: confessional sources.
In short
This is a technical Reformed debate from the 1500s and 1600s about the logical order of God’s decisions. Scripture does not address it, the fathers never discussed it, and none of the nine confessions settles it.
Plan
Question: T07.1: in God’s decrees, does election logically precede the decree to permit the fall (supralapsarian) or follow it (infralapsarian)? A Reformed scholastic question. Question: T07.2: Is reprobation an active decree, or a passing-by of sinners?
Questions
Verdicts and trace
Weighed under the source-proximity principle: Scripture first, then the father eras I–IV.
T07.1 · Order of decrees
| Question | Verdict | Confidence | Reasoning | Key sources | Scripture (benchmark) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T07.1 | Not addressed before 750 (a post-Reformation scholastic question) | High | T07.1.1 · T07.1.3 weighing | none before 750 | T07.1.4: not a Scripture question |
T07.2 · Is reprobation an active decree, or a passing-by of sinners?
| Question | Verdict | Confidence | Reasoning | Key sources | Scripture (benchmark) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T07.2 | Reprobation as a just passing-by for sin fits Augustine and Orange 529; predestination to evil is condemned | Medium | T07.2.1 · T07.2.3 weighing | augustine-t07-s1 | T07.2.4: medium |
Post-750 development
Which of this doctrine’s questions each tradition stays closest to, or departs from. Each row links to the tradition’s notes; exact scores and bases are in the reasoning.
| Tradition | Closest to the fathers on | Departs or sharpens on |
|---|---|---|
| Catholic | partly T07.2 | — |
| Orthodox | T07.2 | partly T07.2 |
| Oriental Orthodox | T07.2 | partly T07.2 |
| Lutheran | T07.2 | partly T07.2 |
| Anglican | partly T07.2 | — |
| Presbyterian | partly T07.2 | — |
| Reformed Baptist | partly T07.2 | — |
| General Baptist | T07.2 | partly T07.2 |
| Anabaptist | T07.2 | partly T07.2 |
Overall verdict
Not a patristic or biblical question; none of the nine confessions decides it. T07.2: Presbyterian and Reformed Baptist preterition is closest to Augustine and Orange.
Verification status
None.